Discussion on: Is “Defensive Programming” actually healthy?

[Yaser Al-Najjar]

Ah, now I get your point...

You're trying to get things checked at compile time, but I'm not sure if the compiler is really suited to check the app logic (the compilers' job is to check syntax and such).

wouldn’t it be better to find out at compilation that a mistake was made?

Not really, I trust my tests more than the compiler, cuz the app logic might break one day (one way or another), and the beauty of tests is to get that logic checked everytime you go into the building stage.

[Jan van Brügge]

@yaser

the compilers' job is to check syntax and such

I completely disagree here, ideally the compiler would check all your app logic too, the more you can get checked by the compiler, the less tests you need to maintain. Languages like Haskell are popular just because the compiler can help you a lot.

I trust my tests more than the compiler

Tests can never show the absence of bugs, only the presence. Having a type system cut the possible inputs down to (in this case) a finite amount of values is far more valuable than testing the 4 values you mention in your unit tests.

@Cubicle

The problem with that dictionary solution is that it relies on throwing an error at runtime

Not with TypeScript, the following code will throw a compiler error if you change the TrafficLight type, without adding something to the object:

type TrafficLight = "red" | "yellow" | "green";
type TrafficAction = "stop" | "go" | "pause";

type TrafficResponse = {
    [k in TrafficLight]: TrafficAction;
};

function respondToTrafficSignal(signal: TrafficLight): TrafficAction {
    const mapping: TrafficResponse = {
        red: "stop",
        yellow: "pause",
        green: "go"
    };
    return mapping[signal];
}

[Cubicle Buddha]

Great work Yan. Yes, your type would require each key to be present. It’s another thing I love about TypeScript. There are so many ways to express concepts. :)

[Yaser Al-Najjar]

I agree with you in this TypeScript scenario.

But, as for Python (or any similar lang), I'm not sure this would be the case since this even goes against the Python moto: "let the exceptions fly and catch them later".

So, defensive programming model might be different from a lang to another.

[Cubicle Buddha]

Interesting. I tried to find an article about Python and “letting the exceptions fly” but I couldn’t find anything.

One should always choose the best tool for the job. Sometimes that might be throwing/catching an error, and other times it might mean preventing it with the type system. Why limit yourself to one tool?

“When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.”

[Yaser Al-Najjar]

I think the last time I heard it about was in a video or so, but the correct idiom is "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission"

This video explains it in a nice way: youtube.com/watch?v=x3v9zMX1s4s
And this article summarizes things: devblogs.microsoft.com/python/idio...

Sometimes that might be throwing/catching an error, and other times it might mean preventing it with the type system

I can totally relate after I saw how TypeScript goes (I never used it before, just the old normal JS).