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For the longest time I spent way too much time using what seemed to be the trends, and the latest and greatest out there. I spent too much time preaching that Bootstrap should not be used because I’ve seen so many people say it shouldn’t be used. On and on with every new web development trend or technology.
I’ve learned a couple things - stop doing it. Anyone that says you can’t develop a good application because you use bootstrap, jQuery, or some other framework/tool doesn’t know web development the way they think they do. There is so much more to web development than what we think of, and not every company is like what company you work at.
Where I work, 90% of all our applications we start and finish are done in Bootstrap and jQuery. And most of them are absolutely great applications. Why? Because they can be. It also is because of the clients we get. We develop applications that MUST be turned out very quickly. We can’t afford to create our own design system or our own component library that can be customized, work reliably, and more from scratch.
My point from this is for the new people in the industry who see posts like this and see people say “nope don’t use it anymore.” I say this - use what you and your company can use to succeed. If your company can’t afford to go off and create their own design system, or to use the latest and greatest tech, then don’t do it. It’s not even all about using the right tool for the job. It’s about using the right tool for the job that can also get your project done on time, under budget, and makes your client happy.
Well said 👏 @twigman08
“Give ordinary people the right tools, and they will design and build the most extraordinary things.”
I totally agree with you, We can use any framework if it get's your job done with client satisfaction as you said. The motive of writing this post is to convey that Bootstrap is still capable and competent enough in 2021.
I've seen a lot of negativity around Bootstrap in recent days, I admit that there are better frameworks out there, but that doesn't mean Bootstrap is trash and people must stop using it.
Thanks for taking this time to convey something thoughtful!
I agree and I had my own rant, so taking the liberty have posted it here.
Bootstrap is still my goto because I know it fairly well. I think BS gets a bad rep because it's so easy to use the defaults and put up an unstyled website that looks like every other BS website, but if you spend a bit of time changing the defaults and writing some of your own CSS you can easily get a fully responsive website that is 100% unique.
I know there is a lot of new hotness around Tailwind but at this moment I don't see the point in investing the time to learn something new when BS still works fine for me.
Unrelated side rant:
Bulma is a bit of a nonstarter for me because it's not accessible .
My thoughts exactly. When you have been in the software game long enough, you see that there's a new framework every month.
If there's a demand for something then learn it. E.g. React not jQuery anymore.
Someone told me about tailwind and I saw all the classnames and was like "thats bootstrap"
I'm in a real "I may as well just stick with Bootstrap" mindset.
That's true @tfantina
I too use Bootstrap, even now, for some simpler projects which just focuses on functionality rather than brand-uniqueness. Tailwind is pretty good TBH and fantastic if you spend some time with it, but requires like a indepth knowledge of CSS, whereas Bootstrap gives UI components for ready.
So most of my friends starting out in Web-Dev start from Bootstrap :-)
I agree with you @lukeshiru :-)
There are better alternatives out there, like Tailwind and Material. The purpose of Bootstrap today in 2021 is drastically reduced, but we must admit that, it still acts as a entry point for many people ,AFAIK Even I started my journey with Bootstrap and then started learning Tailwind, which hepled in my case.
I also use a "no-class" CSS framework called "SpectreCSS" :-)
Happy that you've responded!
Tailwind is 🔥But I gotta say 😅 It does take quite the set up, and after using it in a handful of projects, the docs is still my right hand man lol. I can't do a thing without it!
But then again, I don't remember how long it took me to get bootstrap down 🤣
Also, I have a soft spot for Bootstrap lol. First css framework!
Solid points great article ✌️
Spectre ftw for small projects
Am I the only one who is deeply unsatisfied with the React Bootstrap framework? It just feels like I have to write a lot of boilerplate.
Before React, I used to enjoy Bootstrap. :/
No @denniseh you are not the only one. Angular Bootstrap has a lot of this rubbish that tags along like plastic flotsam on a clear blue lake.
Having used Bootstrap for a longish period, I'd say, all these technologies, yours and mine, just complicate what should be a very simple task of incorporating a good CSS framework in their projects
Exactly, I have the feeling it makes it more complicated for me than using CSS in the first place. Especially React Bootstrap forces you to use the Bootstrap React components. Which is odd, because I want to use a CSS framework and not a React framework.
you mean like
<Row><Col><Col>
</Row>
If so then I know what you mean
I would rather actually write normal html divs with classes (even if using bootstrap) because I can easily swap a classname of col-1 for columns-1 if moving to tailwind in future rather than have to replace every instance of <Row>
bootstrap vue is awesome though.. great docs, quite a lot more functionality.
Yeah that's true :-1
I tried bootstrap many years ago, When I saw 3 nested divs for just centering a div in container, I stopped trying it.
The only reason I know a little bit of bootstrap is because almost all the templates I used to download for a quick freelance project, were built with bootstrap. I can't even stand tailwind. I have used it but it's much easier and faster to just write css with some sass mixins.
But then, I am not really a designer.
HAHA that's true I too had a brief break from Bootstrap, planned to try Bootstrap5 when it launched. I still use it for simpler projects.
If you are a designer, It's better to be off from Bootstrap or else you have to spend some more dev-time customizing it.
Hey, @abhinav1217 Try the new Flexbox. My designers tell me its an absolute blast to work with.
Guarantee you won't be that disappointed, this time.
Don't use it in 2021 there is no point.
My stake is **Bootstrap" is not yet dead, and people are still using it. It has some sense to use it when you don't care spending more time customizing it or if your client wants it badly and doesn't care about brand-design. Personally, I've seen clients like this more often.
As @gilbertoalbino pointed out, accessibility part is pretty good in Bootstrap.
I agree with @chadsmith71
I and my team have turned out absolutely stunning projects using some of the most dis-repped technologies on the planet today. Bootstrap, jQuery, ASP.NET and I mean WebForms too as well as MVC. I've been doing that with my team's for close on 20 years. Some of these technologies entered later and some earlier.
As an old coot, let me tell you that if anyone says these make the sites/apps look conformist and clones of the ones made by newbies, mean that you haven't customized the design enough or that you have third rate Frontend developers who don't know their Grid and Flex well enough.
jQuery is an awesome tool and combined with knockoutjs, breezejs will blow anything you throw at it out of the arena.
Devs have absolutely no business :
Taking a wholistic view, all these common mistakes that I see devs making are driven by incompetence, haste, ignorance and the lust for those shiny newer toys that donot focus on the simple deliverables. They try to solve a problem that is simply not so.
Bootstrap has power and flexibility to support technology as old as time it self. The venerable and much reviled IE. In addition to others like Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera and some 3rd rate Android browsers.
I think the whole attitude thing is more like learning to ride a bicycle with your favourite parent who have taught many of the neighborhood kids on the same bicycle too.
The young teen now feels cocky enough to call out the old parents on their uniform consistent training methods that donot factor in the latest complicated training videos.
All this bottled up rage just means the new dev knows less of the proven, reliable old and speaks more of the unmastered, undigested new and latest fad on the market.
Tailwind has been an excellent option for me even if it does require a bit more writing but bootstrap is a great place to start at if you need to. Bootstrap still offers an extensive css system that is easy to work with.
I would also like to suggest the SemanticCSS community fork version. It's alternative that i've been enjoying as well.
Nice suggestion @megasanjay , I've heard that before, but never tried it personally, this time I make sure to do.
Guess this is what you are pointing to Formantic-UI
Yeah. My bad. I meant to say Fomantic-UI. It's a breath of fresh air with regards to the standard bootstrap look. They also have some great additional plugins that help with that UI development. I have to warn that there are times it goes sideways but usually its pretty rare in my experience. Give it a try and see how it works out for you. Cheers mate :)
No issues 😃
Thanks for suggesting, will give it a try soon.
Subject: " Is it time to let go of Bootstrap? "
Closing Paragraph: " Should we use Bootstrap still in 2021? Of course, It is best in class for rapid web-design [..] If you want a quick site for a Boot camp you arrange next week, go for Bootstrap, It's faster to build, gives responsiveness. "
This is clickbait at its worst.
Probably not, I've never intended to clickbait.
I tried to answer the question in subject line, with a starter's perspective.
Closing paragraph too, I tried to convey that, Bootstrap is still competent enough in 2021. In the line "Not inflexiblity but the long hours of customization", I meant the same what a user mentioned in the discussions. I kindly suggest you to read the full discussions, ".
Basically the post is formatted as questions and answers. You probably got it in a wrong way I guess.
All the things I mentioned in this post, advocate for the "BOOTSTRAP IS NOT DEAD". The last Bootcamp example, is just for pressing the fact, that Functionality > Design use case.
I am no way perfect, if you find it wrong, I would love your feedback :-)
Thanks for commenting!
Certainly not my motive!
Sorry if you find it that way :-(
I always thought that Tailwind and Bootstrap were basically the same thing except that Bootstrap ships with some basic components.
In the Tailwind documentation they say:
It's a duck. Maybe it got a new paintjob, but it's still a duck.
after along research for the good choice, finaly i decide to use tailwind. tailwind more flexible and strong enough to beat bootstrap. Tailwind offer more than framework do, there some feature i love like custom theme, minimize, etc. i think the bootstrap must do their best to following the trend, and the flexibility.
how about you @codereaper08
I agree with you @nyomansunima , Tailwind is awesome, Bootstrap is still good on it's own for the kind of use-case and the people who use, and will become better I hope.
i have a mini-sass-library of my own that I use it after config to generate many styles needed for every project ..
so it allowed me somehow, to abandon most of the bootstrap's utility classes ...
BUT, bootstrap has some extended versions for most js frameworks that still take the heavy lifting ...
Example : bootstrap-vue.org/
Great article Vishwa.R. I have been developing Angular projects for almost 4 years and have been using bootstrap css since, not really taking in other option so will definitely be checking these out and learning more about them!
Thanks for the compliment @supa_cc 😄
Make sure to try Tailwind, you'll feel a different vibe ;-)
I've no longer using Bootstrap since 2016 after doing a project and got nice cash.
It is popular but not so intuitive.
Finally in 2021 Tailwind makes sense, only the setup is bit complicated and it takes different way than any traditional CSS fws out there
Hands down Tailwind is 🔥
Bootstrap is not bad, it's good fast development tools. and it's good for people who worked in backend and not accustomed to native CSS. styling in native CSS has more pain for some developer.
Yep :-)
That was what I thought to convey.
Bootstrap and other CSS are cool. But they are good for prototyping or fast development. I don't like to build professional websites with them.
Yeah, but we must admit that, We must adhere to what our workplace or clients, need or use as @twigman08 said.
There are many professional websites built with Bootstrap too.
Personal I use Bootstrap as you said for rapid & basic responsive web projects, if the need arise.
Happy you liked the article!
CSS frameworks are great helper tool. And great for production websites that doesn't need too much custom stuff.
Woo JIT mode is cool...
I highly recommend looking at even more minimal CSS libraries which style semantic HTML tags
Nice suggestion @barakplasma
I've heard about milligram before, but never tried my hand on it.
Will be sure to try these out (•‿•)
In my experience Vanilla CSS is generally the best option for professional-grade work. The 'framework of the week' mentality of so many, will cause nothing but misery.
HAHA thanks for pointing out, my bad, I said it in a flow.
Should be careful next-time 😅
You don't need W3C spec but thanks for letting us know that you are doing well.
Like someone wrote before here "accessibility" is something you can get without bootstrap got to google read and learn.
Totally!