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Frank Carr

When I was a kid, there was this guy who said something about not judging people by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

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Tim Thomas

If you’re referring to Dr. King, I don’t think he said that.

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Frank Carr

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK March on Washington Speech, August 28, 1963

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Tim Thomas • Edited

Yes, I see a difference between what he said and what you claim he said.

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Frank Carr

You are pretty dense. He was speaking of his dream for all Americans, not just his children. But, you go ahead on judging people by their skin color. I've seen and lived in first hand the kind of world that creates and it isn't pretty.

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Tim Thomas • Edited

We're going to resort to name calling and strawman fallacies? Why call me dense? Where did I judge anyone?

He was speaking of his dream of Black Americans not being judged for being Black.

I also believe the judgement being passed in the original post is on the group composition, not any individual, and the effect that has had on people who can't squeeze themselves into the Agile framework. Curious, did you watch the talk?

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Mark Nicol

That's very true.

I think the point in the video that I've probably not expressed well is that if you get a bunch of people together who see the world from a similar place then it is going to end up missing out on other perspectives and viewpoints from people facing different challenges. It is only about colour in that white dudes get an easier ride in our current society than women, people of colour etc.

I think regardless of character it is too easy to see a personal baseline as the norm especially when surrounded by other people coming from a similar place. I'm not accusing anyone of anything I know I've not been guilty of in the past and despite best intentions will probably be guilty of in the future.

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Frank Carr

My point is that an idea should be analyzed on its merits, not on the ethnicity or gender of the person(s) who came up with the idea. Even worse is making that aspect the centerpiece of criticism.