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Innovation comes with the price. Companies like Deepseek is making it happen with the lowest possible price. We live in a highly competitive world where everything is possible. That said, there is no going back in time with the manual coding. The AI has taken over, and the companies are already seeing the advantage of it. Remember, Innovation is the key thing that can make things happen.
We've got a strong harness with Deepseek in our CLI, hitting ~70 +/-3% on Terminal Bench 2.1, which is the highest open source score we've seen so far, excited to have you give it a stress test. would you be open to it?
Wow, that's really amazing. You can count on me for sure :)
I am happy to run the load/stress testing against your product.
A developer might decide to pay $200 per month if they are getting more than $200 worth of value. I do agree that the economics have to pencil out - but if humans are very expensive (as so many CEOs state confidently) then the balance has to be between total output on the one hand, and human + AI cost on the other.
Still, I'm curious to try your tool.
the cost-trajectory part of this is what most ppl skip past. when MSFT + Uber both flinch at the bill, the indie dev story is way uglier. for solos i think the unlock is decoupling from the all-u-can-eat subscription entirely. been building moonshift on that bet: $3 per shipped SaaS instead of a monthly plan, code lands in ur own github + vercel, so unit cost = a function of WHAT u shipped not how much u tinkered. first run completely free if u want to see what the math looks like on a real prompt, no card needed.
We need better programming languages, and AI is not the answer. We have spent over 10 years going backwards with JavaScript (and TypeScript) / React / Angular arguments rather than finding better solutions. IMHO Java was going the right way in the mid-1990s (thanks to one visionary) but lost its way. We need better abstractions so that lower-skilled people can write software using plug-and-play lego, its just hardly anyone is actually trying to do that.
The cost-per-call framing is the right lens. We ran a similar experiment with DeepSeek — 3.4B tokens for 7 — and the economiood enough for this specific task at this price point.'
Totaly agree... I mentioned to the comment above that we're seeing Deepseek in our CLI, hitting ~70 +/-3% on Terminal Bench 2.1. Would you be open to it?
We actually did try with smaller models (DeepSeek V4 Flash vs Pro) — the Flash is about 20-50x cheaper per token and handles 95
Love to see it. Making coding more accessible and aligning with devs is our goal, great to see like minded people emerging!
Appreciate you sharing that data point — it aligns with what we've seen too. The fixed cost of context assembly often dwarfs the per-call inference cost in practice, especially for multi-step agent tasks. Would be curious how your results look with shorter context windows, say 4-8k vs 32k+.
I’ve done a little bit of research into using Claude Code with local models, it looks like if your machine can handle it you can get quite a substantial savings that way. What’s your take on it?
certainly, so if you have a strong coding harness in your terminal its definitely the way to go. Our R-CLI can hit ~70 on terminal bench coding benchmark with Deepseek 4, so if you have enough space to host it and you point the R-CLI endpoint to that model, you effectively have zero cost. Thats what we're trying to enable. The cost for the CLI then is just memory reads and writes per, so $0.003