This is by no means an exhaustive list.
I honestly think if Sun did not spend millions into Java marketing, it wouldn't have been successful. This...
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Java is not at all "IDE dependent". I rarely, if ever, use an IDE for Java and Java has been one of my primary languages since the 1990s. On Windows, I edit source in Notepad++. On Linux and other Unix-like systems, my editor of choice has varied over the years, but have included emacs and vi.
Not entirely sure what your intended point is on OO. But Java is object oriented. It happens to include some support for functional programming that you can either use or not use. If you want to strictly program in the functional paradigm, Java is not the right language.
I'm really not sure what your 3rd point is, so can't comment on that one.
Oh you've been a programmer for a while. The way you have experienced soft dev, I would probably never be able to.
The way I feel it, today, knowing a language is not enough to be able to contribute meaningfully. There is a need to learn many different frameworks and libraries associated with it to become a software dev. These frameworks have different ways of package management which becomes a nightmare if an IDE is not used.
With OO, the point I was trying to make is the idea of lets say defining the model of a car inheriting a
Carclass is cool but we can do the same with encapsulation as well which feels more natural.3rd point is i guess my way of saying this
My POV is of an fresh graduate of Computer Science. So doesn't amount to much. But thank you for caring.
Frameworks come and go more often than the underlying language. I recommend first focusing on the fundamentals of the language. If you get those down, then adapting to the framework-of-the-month will be easier. Although the whole chasing the latest framework thing is worse for some other languages like JS than it is for Java. I haven't seen a Java framework yet that required a specific IDE. As I mentioned, I use a code editor rather than an IDE. But I do use a build tool to run the build for a project (compile, run tests, etc). Currently I use Maven. In the past I've used Ant, and way back Make. I haven't used Gradle, but I know some find it easier than Maven. Maybe try a build tool like Maven or Gradle. You can definitely build Java projects that use frameworks like Spring with such build tools. But again I recommend focusing on the fundamentals first before frameworks.
In OO, sometimes using inheritance makes sense, while other cases call more for composition, etc. This really isn't just a Java thing though. Quite frankly it's usually best to keep inheritance hierarchies shallow. Many textbook examples of inheritance give the false impression that you need to have deep levels of inheritance.
Don't forget that's it's very verbose
Yeah true. Write tons of Java for a simple "Hello World." Frustrating
Really? Tons?
Is that short enough? Apart from that how many times do you write that?
With JDK21 there is a preview to make that even more shorter (openjdk.org/jeps/445) like this:
Apart from that, is that really important?
In which way? Do you have examples?
VSCode support to Java is very good
Yes but VSCode is also an IDE
VSCode is a source code editor (as defined on its official website), not an IDE. There are many optional extensions available that can add IDE like features to it for whatever language you are programming in.
Someone coding Java on Neovin, or you say that Neovin is an Ide ?
No Neovim is not an IDE. What I meant was VSCode is a text editor by definition, but in its use, there is very heavy preference to using extensions. But now that I think about it, isn't that the case with most of the text editors? Yeah I am confused. Never mind.
The point I was trying to make was it becomes a nightmare creating and managing packages in non-supported text editors.
technically you can write Java, Go, JavaScript, TypeScript, Rust, C, C++ with a simple editor (for example Vim, Emacs, Neovim)... but that is not productive...
About 1: As others already explained you are not forced to use an IDE to write Java code... neither this is neccary for C, C++, Go, Rust, TypeScript, JavaScript, Kotlin, Scala, PHP, Python, VLang, etc., but this is not productive, because IDE's are supporting not only the language with refactoring, code completion, executing of tests, searching, frameworks, support for databases, version control etc. to mention only a few aspects. This is the daily business writing code.
About 2: You are talking very generally about a problem you might have with non OOP aspects of Java, but where is the real problem having a language which supports functional aspects as well (as other languages do as well). More important it's evolving over the time.. as other languages do as well (for example Go, JavaScript, TypeScript, C++, C, Rust etc.)..
It's really funny to read/hear one part of people saying: "Java is OO only".. really bad... others telling "Oh Java is not only OO anymore" it's bad...
About 3:
In which way are devs restricted and what are those "other ways"?
The language itself is not really the problem.. Apart from that Java (incl. JVM) is getting more and more secure over the time..
What do you mean by that?
A general advice is composition over inheritance. This is not new.