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rhymes on December 13, 2018

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Ondrej

Nice to see that I am basically on 2012 Junior dev level in Romania :D Yeah, Eastern Europe rocks.

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Ondrej

Btw for the same amount of work as my Western mates & prices are more or less same as in the US.

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Gregor Gonzalez

I know that feel bro XD

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rhymes • Edited

Sorry, I'm not sure I understood what you're saying.

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Ondrej

I was saying that I'm making like 6k Euro / year for the same amount of work like my western colleagues, which is pretty funny (and prices for the basic commodities in my country are more or less the same as in the US).

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rhymes

What's the median wage in your country?

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Ondrej • Edited

9000 Euro / year for the last year. But you know that is median, it does not represents average wage for most people in real life.

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Ondrej

I know, it sucks, but at least I am motivated to work hard to make my salary better :)

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Gregor Gonzalez

Well... I live in Venezuela. I'm a senior developer, I make 16$/month, here the minimum wage is 5$/month. This economics hell forced me to have another job, nights and weekends. I have 3 jobs and isn't enough to buy our monthly food.

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rhymes

Hi Gregor, I'm sorry for what you're going through. That's clearly not enough, especially due to the insane inflation the country has been having. Is there any chance that things will start improving?

I don't know enough about what's happening down there honestly.

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Gregor Gonzalez

It is difficult, we barely managed and we got used to forgetting about our quality of life. Many people have migrated but we do not give up. There are small opportunities, and I like to have a level of difficulty to improve my skills. Here you can survive with $400 - $500.

oh you can find updated information in english in this web caracaschronicles.com/
I know there are articles in other newspapers, like the washingtonpost newyorktimes and others.

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rhymes

It is difficult, we barely managed and we got used to forgetting about our quality of life. Many people have migrated but we do not give up. There are small opportunities, and I like to have a level of difficulty to improve my skills. Here you can survive with $400 - $500.

I'm sure you thought about it but what about trying to find a remote job? This way you can maybe improve your quality of life a bit and still staying in Venezuela in the meantime. It's not going to be easy to find one, but maybe it's worth it to give it a try. If I'm not mistaken you're also more or less on the same timezone as eastern US, so maybe you can find a remote company based there with which you can collaborate with on the same office time.

Good luck Gregor!

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Gregor Gonzalez

Yes, that exactly. My other 2 jobs are remote. In fact it has become very popular to hire outsourcing from Venezuela. They usually pay from 100 to 200, cheap labor depending on the technology. For now I take my vacation to study more, next year I will change to a better job.

Thank you for worry. There is always a solution

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rhymes

Great attitude Gregor, good luck!

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Adrián Norte

Take the Spain table with a pinch of salt.

I'm in Barcelona (born here so...) and I'm making 50k and I'm not the highest paid devel here nor I the highest paid devel amongst my friends. That guy probably worked for a IT consultant firm working on a contract with the government.

Another thing that baffles me is the problems with women and minorities on the states. In here my boss is a woman developer that makes more than me and I have also worked with plenty of women in tech and some had the highest salaries in the company because they were crazy good at their jobs. Same with minorities. Seriously America, get your shit together.

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Vincent Milum Jr

Its always crazy in my mind reading other's salary information. I've been stuck making less than 10k-usd/yr while living in the Seattle area simply due to the fact that nobody has been willing to hire me.

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rhymes

Hi Vincent, it's quite strange that with the experience you have you can't find a better paid job.

Have you gotten any feedbacks from these interviews you conducted? Do you have any idea about the "why"?

Are you applying for remote jobs as well?

Have you thought about moving?

I'm not American and I don't know very well which tech companies are in your area (apart from Microsoft and Amazon I guess).

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Vincent Milum Jr

I wrote up a small overview of this the other day, actually. TLDR the hiring practices in tech in this country as a whole are entirely flawed, despite the constant outcry against them.

twitter.com/DarkainMX/status/10729...

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rhymes

Yeah, I think you should start avoiding companies with those hiring practices at a whole.

I would focus on companies that value experience over whiteboard interviews.

Checkout remoteok.io/ - weworkremotely.com/ - creativemornings.com/jobs and especially @lynnetye 's keyvalues.com/

Good luck!

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Ali Spittel

Wow, totally missed this since I don't check HN a lot -- thanks for posting. Fascinating. I would love to see numbers across racial and gender lines, I think that would be even more interesting.

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rhymes

I don't either, the HN thread was linked at the end of the post :D