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Hyperscript Tagged Markup (HTM): JSX alternative using standard tagged templates, with compiler support.

Ben Halpern on December 28, 2018

This is an interesting library by @_developit, creator of Preact. developit / htm ...

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Heiker • Dec 28 '18

No transpiler necessary

This is it for me. That is the benefit. I believe that is one of the reasons Vue got so many beginners excited about frontend. You could start learning about the framework without introducing any of the noice of modern tooling.

I learned about React a couple of years ago, when I first heard the term "transpiler" it made want to skip it (and I did). It took me a year and half (and working with node) to gather the confidence to finally tackle this "transpiler" thing (A.K.A. babel and his friend webpack) Even after learning how to use it I hated it.

Benny Powers 🇮🇱🇨🇦 • Dec 30 '18

Try LitElement, and you'll get templating AND component model using built-in features.

dev.to/bennypowers/lets-build-web-...

Heiker • Dec 30 '18

Thanks for the link. Now I'm interested.

Do you know if lit-html works with JSDOM? I would to make test like this one during development.

Benny Powers 🇮🇱🇨🇦 • Dec 30 '18

I've had some peripheral issues like javascript module support with jsdom

But barring those kinds of problems (which are, to be clear, problems with node-based tools not able to run browser-standard JavaScript), you should be golden.

You might consider karma, or puppeteer or Cypress for browser testing, since those tools will actually run your cove in the environment you are targeting.

open-wc.org/recommendations/testin...

Mihail Malo • Jan 22 '19

I see this opinion all around and don't get it at all.
One of the best features of Vue for me is single-file-components, which of course necessitate a bundler.
The "full build" option that allows templating at runtime seems like cruft that I would rather development time wasn't spent oh.

Heiker • Jan 22 '19

To me is more about the learning phase (from a beginner perspective). You can play around with Vue even if you don't know anything about bundlers. If the learning experience is pleasant then people will be encourage to dig deeper. Eventually they will get to the "advance" stuff, but hopefully they get there with enough confidence in their knowledge and see it as "just another step".

Mihail Malo • Jan 23 '19

I guess this can help adoption when someone is really just using notepad and a browser.
But for me the best way to "try a framework" was always
git clone framework-start-example test or pnpx framework-cli init test
followed by cd test && pnpm i && pnpm run dev with hot reloading and stuff.

Heiker • Jan 23 '19

notepad and a browser.

That's my jam. Replace notepad with Sublime text and you basically described my development environment when I started learning. It would be awesome if I could work just using those two.

Now that I think about it, it is sad that CLI tools and boilerplate code is the "new normal" when you create client side javascript.

Anyway, when trying anything javascript related my favorite way is using codepen (the notepad of javascript online editors).

Mihail Malo • Jan 25 '19

I don't find it sad at all. It's a huge relief for me.
How do you feel about codesandbox.io?

Mehdi Vasigh • Dec 28 '18 • Edited

It seems like the biggest win here is not having to use a transpiler, though I feel like most projects would already have Babel in there. Other than that, not sure if this buys the developer anything that JSX doesn't since the syntax is still somewhere in between HTML and JSX. However, cool and interesting approach!

Martin Beierling-Mutz • Dec 29 '18

You still need babel if you want to compile it for production, to get rid of the extra bytes.

To me, the benefit of actually using it in existing Preact/React code is that it is actually much closer to HTML. Being able to use class instead of className is nice :)

Mehdi Vasigh • Dec 29 '18

What I meant is that either way you are taking a bunch of markup syntax and translating it to React.createElement() calls. Whether you import a library function and do that work there or let a Babel plugin do the work, it's up to you. The latter is a bit cleaner IMO but it requires a transpile step. If you're doing that anyway then may as well use JSX.

Martin Beierling-Mutz • Dec 30 '18

Yes exactly, in most build setups using HTM will be compiled just like JSX is.

After thinking about it a bit more, these are my reasons why to use HTM over JSX:

it's less magic, as you can see that it's a Tagged Template
because of less magic, it's also more beginner friendly
it's closer to HTML, without JSX limitations like class/className

And the biggest reason: no build step! I mean, look at the example... it's a 3.7KB js dependency and you can build preact apps!

To me, this is a taste of the future. A future where build tools won't be necessary anymore. Until then, we still need to transpile, code-split, optimize etc. using build/bundle tools like webpack.

Ben Halpern • Dec 28 '18

Yeah. In most cases these days, the transpiler is a given. However, I could imagine a lot of circumstances where evaluating without transpiration is much more convenient. Enough so to possibly drop the need for jsx altogether.

Had these two things come along at the same time, good chance we don't bother with the rigmarole of jsx.

Jesse M. Holmes • Dec 28 '18

If Babel isn't necessary, I wonder what would happen under the hood if you bundled a new project with Parcel.

Elliot Derhay • Dec 28 '18

So long as the file extensions don't become .htm ;)

K • Dec 28 '18

I'm torn.

On the one side it works without pre-compilation, on the other hand nobody deploys stuff without pre-compliation these days anyway.

On the one hand it has the shorter end-tag syntax, on the other hand most components have short names anyway.

<Text>Hello</Text>
h`<${Text}>Hello<//>`

<VeryLongComponentName>Hello</VeryLongComponentName>
h`<${VeryLongComponentName}>Hello<//>`

<List><Item>1</Item><Item>2</Item><Item>3</Item><Item>4</Item<Item>5</Item></List>
h`<${List}><${Item}>1<//><${Item}>2<//><${Item}>3<//<${Item}>4<//><${Item}>5<//><//>`

I think, the end-tags are a bit harder to read and with many short components it leads to more typing.

But I think this is a small price to pay for getting rid of tanspiling in PoCs or such.

kip • Dec 28 '18

What are the differences with lit-html ?

Ben Halpern • Dec 28 '18

From what I'd gather:

htm is looking to act as a convenient alternative to jsx to fit the workflow of folks in react/preact land. lit-html is more of a whole new thing that is technically similar, but not coming from the same place in terms of developer experience.

One other difference in practical terms

htm:

As of 2.0.0, htm is stable, well-tested and ready for production use.

lit-html:

lit-html is currently in development. It's on the fast track to a 1.0 release, so we encourage you to use it and give us your feedback, but there are things that haven't been finalized yet and you can expect some changes.