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W. Brian Gourlie • Edited

May I suggest, as respectfully as possible, that since you appear to possess the same Magic Triangle of privilege that I do (white, male, lives in a first-world country), maybe it isn't your place (or mine) to decide if women and people of color are being excluded on Stack Overflow

I don't think the color of my skin makes my opinion any more or less valid than anyone else, nor am I bound by your ideological constraints.

You seem to imply that everyone should be reduced down to a single mindset and set of experiences based on their skin color and gender, and that the opinions of each should be ranked accordingly.

The whole concept falls apart the moment someone in your non-privileged group differs from you ideologically, at which point you almost certainly abandon this idea entirely. I'm being a bit presumptuous here, but I'd venture to bet you value the opinion of Joe Biden more than you do Clarence Thomas.

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Isaac Lyman

Hmm, not really a fair summary of what I was saying. The very moment Joe Biden tries to tell me what it's like to be a black person, I'll tune out. That's my point. If someone who's different than you is talking about their own experiences, there's no room for you and I to say "that didn't happen."

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W. Brian Gourlie • Edited

I have seen minorities express opinions about the tech industry that are summarily dismissed because they don’t fit the desired narrative. Here is one opinion on racism in general, from the aforementioned Clarence Thomas.

Please stop pushing this idea that there is only one acceptable opinion for a group of people to have, that just so happens to align with your ideology, and that I need to shut up and listen to it.

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Shalvah • Edited

I agree with you. It's really sad to see people accuse Jeff of being some kind of monster.

FWIW, I'm black and living in Africa. I'm a pretty regular user of SO (Googler, asker, answerer). I've never felt discriminated against or excluded. Never have I seen colour or race come up in a discussion on an SO question. People using the survey results to claim "exclusion" conveniently forget that "white males 18-34" are also a leading demographic in software developers worldwide. (For instance, see VisionMobile's survey.