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I got bored with asking my son for multiplication tables, so we programmed together a little game with Scratch.

Davide de Paolis on February 17, 2020

Last Sunday my son had to prepare for a Math test in primary school. We spent the week asking him the Ein-mal-Eins ( the multiplication tables) and...
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Nikola Brežnjak

Great idea!

It would be super if you also included a link to your project.

Anyways, I assume most of the people here are programers and would know how to do this. For those that just want to 'press enter' and play, here's a super simple project I threw together: scratch.mit.edu/projects/659109873

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Rémy 🤖

This is so cool. When I was about 10 that's also what I coded with my dad, in VisualBasic at the time.

20 years later here I am, looks like it was a good thing to start with :)

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Rémy 🤖

Fun fact though. It taught me programming but not multiplication tables. Those I still don't know.

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Davide de Paolis

:-) why learn them if we can build software to do the heavy weight...

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Andreas Jakof

My math teacher always said „You don’t carry a calculator with you all the time.“

Well, it was the mid-80s and 90s before mobile phones were common and way pre iPhone.

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Davide de Paolis

I guess math teachers still keep on saying that. :-)

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Mike Lockhart

True, but my year nine math teacher said "one day, you probably will have a computer in your pocket which can answer any question. You still need to understand the answer so you can spot if you hit the multiply key when you should have pressed plus. You at least have to have some idea of the answer, not blindly accept a wrong one just because that's what the machine calculated". Best advice that year.

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Davide de Paolis

that´s the same for us googling answers in the internets. you can´t copy paste code blindly, you must understand what you read and understand if that could be the right solution or make things worse..

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Mike Lockhart

Definately go for it!

You are an experienced programmer and a dad, which means that kids don't freak you out like other grown ups.

I had a blast in my son's class for a few months. We worked on the CodeClub material, but you already worked out the most important parts: keep it simple, provide a motivation, keep it fun. I found the girls to be a bit more timid to begin, but they were the most creative and quick of the class, so get them paired together and they'll amaze you.

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Davide de Paolis

thanx for the tips and motivation. how long do you suggest a similar "workshop" should be? they are 3rd grade (8 yo) - the teachers told me that they could block the computer room for as long as I need - 1 hour or the entire morning... and they are 27 kids.
I was thinking about splitting the class in two groups for 2 hours each., but i am not so sure how much we could achieve in 2 hours..

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Mike Lockhart • Edited

The code club lessons are about an hour, which was all I had with a full class of 25+, and that felt about right for 10-year-olds. After that, you get some kids being bored and disruptive. You will be overwhelmed with that many on your own though! I had competent help from a teacher who knows how to control a class! So if your are going solo, I would say no more than about 8 to 10, in pairs sharing a computer.

So, if you can spare a whole morning, break them into groups, and do the same project with each group. You'll learn where the sticking points are. Also try a project out at home first, use your own kids as Guinea pigs, so that you can see what is difficult and be ready to fix technical issues so you can let the kids troubleshoot programming bugs, not issues with school wifi or saving to network shares.

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Davide de Paolis

i will go solo. but my kid is already very excited about being my helper ( and therefore, somehow teaching his friends how to use scratch) :-)

thanx for all the advice!

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Sahil

wow #sharingthislink

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CatalinRadoi • Edited

That is really cool.

I am a volunteer with CoderDojo, teaching small kids Scratch, but I also teach Scratch at my kids schoool (also volunteer).

If you want I have several projects that would work well for kids 6-10 yrs old, but they are in romanian, though... (the pdfs)
e.g. drive.google.com/open?id=12Q7JdU5s...

here's one of my kids stuff, maybe you'll find something interesting scratch.mit.edu/users/mihnea_ro/pr...

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Davide de Paolis

that's very kind of you! thank you. I guess that I will manage to get some ideas from the pdfs despite the language barrier, and in case, I will ask a Romanian colleague for some help.
I will definitely have a look inside the scratch projects with my kid!
thanx

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aslum • Edited

How do you start with scratch for kids? Any resources/ideas? Some pointersbwould help..

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Zachary Stone

scratch.mit.edu/projects/editor/?t... Scratches website is chalk full of resources. They have tutorials. The tutorials are interactive and kid friendly. And they provide a resource page for parents scratch.mit.edu/parents/

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Davide de Paolis

yes there are plenty of resources available.
scratch editor is fully localized ( my kids constantly switch between italian and german, and when they are following the tutorials they switch to english so they can find the proper commands/blocks).
The forum is also very well made, and when we get stuck i just google for my problem and most of the time I find the answer with the images of the blocks required to achieve it.
The cool thing is that many project are open, so you can always look at the source code, and fork it.
Besides playing around with online resources, we also got a couple of books at the public library. With those my kids are completely independent and can build small games just reproducing the steps - when we do that together is more play around, experiment and try to reason about the problems and possible solutions.

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Aaron Reese

There is a great (english) book for making StarWars games with Scratch. amazon.co.uk/Star-Coding-Projects-...

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Davide de Paolis

wow. my kids will love that!

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Mike Lockhart

It doesn't come with the graphics assets, unfortunately. Which leads to disappointment quickly. I've been looking for scans online, but I haven't found any good ones. You will have to get good at pixel art yourself, which I have not.

But it's still good for ideas

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Aaron Reese

Don't overlook other development environments for kids. Roblox design studio, minecraft, blender (awesome open source 3d rendering package) , python, even OBS and video editing tools to make them into creators rather than consumers. Lego technics and Nintendo cardboard.

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Davide de Paolis

absolutely.
I have a draft sitting there for months about that.
my bigger one already plays a lot with IMovie to make videos of schooltrips or helps me with those of our vacations.
They both love lego technic and last year we built together Lego Mindstorm Eve3. Still need to start programming with it.

being creators instead of consumers is one of the key points my wife and I stress so much.

even in the rare occasions when they watch some "famous" youtuber we always point out the details (tech setup, video editing, sounds etc, it is never just passive staring ... we could be very boring parents :-) )

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Clive Da • Edited

fantastic ! #wishidthoughtofthat

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Daniel Mohr

I really like this Story. Glad you are teaching your kids valuable things and not just letting them watch YouTube to have them be quiet. Thank you.

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Davide de Paolis

Thanx for the appreciation

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Adam Crockett 🌀

Only 3 years to go... I can't wait to get started.

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Davide de Paolis

be prepared. I guess I have to buy another computer. Now it´s hard to find a minute when they are not sitting playing with scratch :-)

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Adam Crockett 🌀

A new computer, no no, that's an opportunity, build one together or make a raspberry pi machine embedded in a cute enclosure 🤷‍♂️

I wonder if I can compile scratch to Wasm 👨‍🔬

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Davide de Paolis

Raspberry pi is definitely on my list.

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Bastien JAUNY

Awesome idea, whish you the best for the workshop!

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Davide de Paolis

thanx! will definitely blog about that experience

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Nicolas Verinaud

Awesome story ! How old are your kids ? :-)

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Davide de Paolis

8 and 11 years old.

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aleBiagini

Congrats! Introducing children to informatics is not that easy :)

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Davide de Paolis

it depends, computer science or coding syntax probably. but scratch is very easy, with those logical building blocs.

As long as they can read they can start building things. And it is just a matter of reducing a "problem" to a small thing/ step.

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Jaroslav Janik

I've made app for my girlfriend's daughter in the past. It's not scratch, but gDevelop. Browser, Windows and Android is supported: matematika.jaroslavjanik.cz/englis...

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Davide de Paolis

Nice!!

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Florent Cima

Can't wait to have a kid for those moments!

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Brice Friha

I want to do the same when I gonna have children!

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Ben Halpern

Super cool!

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Domenico Solazzo

This is a fantastic story and idea to do with my kid!

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Avishek Patra

Wow awesome

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Per Lundholm

Thanks for the inspiration. Very timely for me as I started the other day with my grandchild, 8 years old. Found a book in Swedish and Scratch is also available in Swedish.

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Davide de Paolis

nice! have fun with scratch and granchild :-)

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David R

Just last night I was speaking to my 9 year-old about coding and what one can do with it. I think I managed to spark some interest in him. I will for sure be trying this out with him!

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Ryan

This is great. I was just discussing with my wife creating a multiplication table tool for my son. This seems more fun.

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Davide de Paolis

it is a lot!

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Luke Garrigan

Awesome Blog Davide!

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Davide de Paolis

thanx!