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Discussion on: Au Revoir, Gentoo - Sell Me A New Linux Distro

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David Wickes

So you're after something that's

  • super stable
  • a good daily driver
  • Unix, but not necessarily Linux

Have you considered using a fork of BSD? It's supported by a multimillion dollar corporation, who've built a custom window manager on top of it. It's tailored to a very specific hardware setup, but under the hood its mostly vanilla BSD, with the same utilities and philosophy. It's a great development OS, and you'll never spend any time messing around with the OS.

One catch: you'll have to buy one of said corporation's computers to use this OS, or hack one together yourself.

Other than politics and price - why wouldn't you use an Apple Mac running OSX?

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Ben Sinclair

Other than politics and price - why wouldn't you use an Apple Mac running OSX?

Because of its terrible UX, bug-ridden UI and lack of customisability or compatibility.

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and to go from the most flexible and configurable distro to Apple tiny box? go from, compile this package but only with this features I'm giving to you; to "feedme Apple gods", and please be nice to me... I'll pay you more if you love me back! and don't take more ports away from me plz! or do, if you think I don't deserve or need them...

... seems a big jump to me.

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Ben Lovy Author

It is, but it's partially precipitated by the fact that I no longer care much about that as long as I can use the tools I want to use. There are other reasons why this is not on my radar, though.

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Ben Lovy Author

You're not wrong, of course.

Other than politics and price

Those are reasons enough for me, though. I'm good with the hardware I've got, have no plans to upgrade for several years, and got the specs I needed by watching prices of components individually, ending up spending a fraction of what Apple hardware would have cost. The hackintosh route is also just that - a whole project in and of itself. I want something I can install today on my hardware as-is. Also, you still need to buy a license, right? If I can get most of the way there without spending money, that's worth it to me.

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Michael Kohl

why wouldn't you use an Apple Mac running OSX?

  • Dropped support for 32-bit apps means that many people sit on Steam libraries full of (indie) games that they can no longer play. Also true for some audio/video software and plugins, where people don't want to pay for expensive upgrades if an older version serves their needs.
  • Useless apps (Stocks, Stickies, etc.) are forced down our throats on desktop and you can't even uninstall them unless you muck around with csrutil and even then the next update will bring them back.
  • Constant popups if applications are allowed to access my Downloads folder or other locations. It's a computer, not a phone.
  • Catalina write protected the system volume, wiping the Nix stores of all users. This almost made the Nix developers drop macOS support, but luckily there's a workaround that involves creating a separate volume and mounting that via a synthetic symlink (man 5 synthetic.conf). This is true for everything that wrote in the root directory, not just Nix.

Apart from that, almost every Apple laptop I ever owned had some sort of hardware issue. For example, I'm typing this on my newly replaced butterfly keyboard, and I almost forgot how nice it is to not have doubled and/or missing letters.

I bought the new MBA last year around Christmas and it's most likely the last Mac laptop I purchased for myself. And I'm saying that as someone who got into Macs with Mac OS 9 and used them as his primary devices since the first Intel Macs came out.

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I’ve been an Apple groupie for more than 10 years. Loved the iPhone revolution and the incomparable build quality.

Note in exploring Linux again fire a few reasons, mainly price, ports (lack of), and boring OS.

Never thought I would abandon Apple but I just can’t stomach the changes abs costs any more. And a super expensive laptop with only four USB C ports? It’s driving me insane - my Laptop often looks like a Christmas tree.