Everyone knows the rule: every time you re-save a JPEG, it gets a little worse. Save it enough times and it turns to mush.
I wanted the number. So I took one photo and re-saved it 300 times, measuring the drift after every save.
The result is not what the rule predicts. The damage is a one-time hit. Then the file freezes, bit for bit.
Setup
- One photo: an ISS shot of Earth's airglow over the Sahara, from NASA's public-domain library. Resized to 1200x800 and saved once at JPEG quality 90. That file (215 KB) is the reference.
- Then 300 chained re-saves at four settings: q60, q75, q90, q95. Each save opens the previous file and re-encodes it. Nothing else touches the pixels.
- Metric: SSIM against the reference (1.0 = identical, lower = more drift). ImageMagick for encoding, ffmpeg for SSIM.
What I measured
| re-save quality | drift after save 1 | drift after save 300 | byte-frozen from | final size |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| q60 | 0.8976 | 0.8976 | save 6 | 67,329 B |
| q75 | 0.9147 | 0.9146 | save 14 | 89,937 B |
| q95 | 0.9983 | 0.9981 | save 31 | 265,764 B |
Start with the q60 row. The first re-save costs about 10% of the image. Saves 2 through 300 cost nothing measurable: 0.8976 to 0.8976.
And "frozen" is literal. From save 6 onward, every q60 file is byte-for-byte identical to save 300. The encoder lands on a fixed point and stays there.
The same shape holds at q75 and q95. Lower quality means a bigger single hit, not a faster slide.
So the cost of re-saving is not "a little every time." It is once, at the quality you pick, and then never again.
The practical version
- Re-saving at the same quality is near-lossless. The q95 chain, above the reference's own q90, drifted 0.17% across 300 saves.
- The real loss is lowering the quality. One save from q90 to q60 costs 10% immediately.
- Edit-save-edit-save cycles at a fixed quality do not compound. The fear is bigger than the effect.
What I could not settle
One setting misbehaved. At exactly q90, the reference's own quality, the ImageMagick chain never froze. It kept sliding: 0.9989 after save 1, 0.9631 after 300, settling only around save 251.
I checked the obvious culprit, chroma subsampling, and it is identical in every file (2x2,1x1,1x1). So that is not it.
I then ran the same 300-save chain through a second encoder (ffmpeg's mjpeg). It froze after the first save, with no drift. So the q90 behaviour looks specific to one encoder rather than a property of JPEG. I am reporting it, not resolving it.
Receipts
- SSIM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_similarity_index_measure
- JPEG, quantization and generation loss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG
- NASA image library (public-domain source for the photo): https://images.nasa.gov/
To reproduce: convert in.jpg -quality Q -strip out.jpg for each save, and ffmpeg -i a.jpg -i b.jpg -lavfi ssim -f null - for each measurement.
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