Thank you for your opinion. I obviously don't agree. If someone with a cult-following of hundreds of thousands of people publicly shames someone, it automatically invites a dog-pile of toxic harassment. What he wrote was manipulative and inappropriate.
You are misquoting Sara here. Sara didn't say that, in fact, she disclaimed that she only agreed with some points and not the tone of the article, so his reaction at her instead of him (the author) is certainly not being defended in your statement here. In fact, I'm not sure if you read that Adam was actually fine with the criticisms themselves.
I've already described my framing of how systemic racism and sexism influence our behavior, so I won't restate what I've already said.
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The article was written by someone with a small SM following (320 followers), whereas she has 100k followers. I'd say the size of her platform is what prompted Adam to engage with her, rather than her gender or race.
I do agree that it's important to check our biases and think critically about how and why we engage with others, and I obviously see racism and sexism as big issues to tackle in tech as well as elsewhere. I also agree with your well-reasoned statements about social mediaI.
It's just that I, hopefully respectfully, disagree with your conclusion that sexism and racism are at play in this particular exchange, and think you're reading too much into what is a perfectly normal response to a critical article being shared by a tech influencer with a huge audience. I'd be a bit upset too, if I was him.
I'm honestly glad you wrote this article because it is an engaging read and resulted in an equally engaging discussion. I'm always open to having my mind changed when presented with rational arguments, and will keep following this discussion. I'm aware my opinion is the minority one, which is why I felt the need to voice it.
I think the main disconnect here between the way you and I view interactions is that my understanding of society is that all biases and systemic oppression is always at play in any interaction. This is why intention and self-reflection is something I value highly over reactivity (which being that I am bipolar disorder type 1 and have ADHD is something I have to work extra hard at).
I strongly disagree that it was a normal response - "thank you for choosing to use your platform to ruin my day 🥰" is absolutely manipulative, passive-aggressive, and extremely entitled. The entitlement starts from the implication her purpose was to ruin his day and straight to the expectation that she should know it would ruin his day and respect him enough not to post it (despite her disclaimer that she didn't agree with all of the points nor the tone). They aren't friends, so there's no reason for her to be that familiar with him to consider him in that way. I only see this happening to women, and most often to women of color.
That's not to say it doesn't happen outside of these power dynamics, but I'm sure we could discern in every situation some sort of pathway that allows the aggressor have the sense that it is not only okay to speak to the other person this way, despite the lack of relationship, but have the expectation that they wouldn't share any challenging feedback at all.
Had he simply said what others are saying he "really meant" behind his comment, that he found the feedback itself to be misinformed and one-sided, and that he was hurt that she shared it given she has such a large platform, I wouldn't have written this post. What he wrote is precisely the problem here, not that he was hurt.
Thank you for this constructive dialogue either way. I do appreciate talking about these things, despite that my opinions are typically very strong.
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I’d say, let’s forget about race, gender and just focus on what really matters. I’m Latino btw, always thought people would ignore me, hard to learn when people are telling you that there is a system against you, once I ignored that, I noticed people do listen and respect me, I became more confident and realized it was all in my head. makes me sad when things get labeled incorrectly cause it influences in mental health, people start thinking that because everything is against you, you are doomed. I’m my worst enemy… We shouldn’t asume people’s intentions. I personally agree with Sarah, I don’t think tailwind has a unique benefit (my opinion) but I also don’t think he was being racist or sexist. Debates like this are great, helps people make better decisions. I’d challenge his opinion, not him as a person or the system. People will always react in different ways and we don’t have control over it.
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I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me, I now feel like I understand where you're coming from more than I did before.
I think the main disconnect here between the way you and I view interactions is that my understanding of society is that all biases and systemic oppression is always at play in any interaction.
Nope, I'm behind you on this one. I agree that by default we bring our whole selves, including our biases and cultural backgrounds, to each interaction. And I actually think that perhaps it's those same biases that lead to our disconnect too, which I now interpret to stem from the following paragraph.
I strongly disagree that it was a normal response - "thank you for using your platform to ruin my day 🥰" is absolutely manipulative, passive-aggressive, and extremely entitled. The entitlement starts from the implication her purpose was to ruin his day and straight to the expectation that she should know it would ruin his day and respect him enough not to post it (despite her disclaimer that she didn't agree with all of the points nor the tone). They aren't friends, so there's no reason for her to be that familiar with him to consider him in that way. I only see this happening to women, and most often to women of color.
This must be the root of my scepticism towards your analysis - I disagree with a lot of assumptions you make in this paragraph. I can see how these assumptions lead you to the conclusions you drew, but our priors are just not the same, so we end up in different places. It could be that this is because my own lived experience and cultural background lead me to see the same words as you, yet interpret them very differently. The sentence you label as "manipulative" and "entitled" only strikes me as passive-aggressive, sarcastic and intended to convey frustration. My background leads me to think that it's okay to occasionally be passive-aggressive, sarcastic and frustrated - regardless of whether this frustration is directed at someone from within your in-group, or someone entirely different to you. Being openly, publicly frustrated with someone who is not a member of your in-group doesn't by default signal "sexism" or "racism" to me. I'm all for humanising social media, and part of that is revealing when we're hurt, which is all this sentence, in my interpretation, does. I'd like to think I'd have bitten my tongue before posting a reaction like his, but I can't rule out having reacted the same way, especially on a bad day. Would that make me racist and sexist?
And I do believe there's evidence that women are more likely to get unfairly criticised - I'm just still unable to see how this is an example of that.
Be it as it may, I think both parties involved might likely be slightly bemused if they were to know the extent to which their words are being analysed here, so I'll call it a day now. Let's agree to disagree. I am grateful for this discussion and love that you've created a space where it's okay to voice one's opinion, even if it opposes yours. I look forward to reading more from you.
I agree with both of you... on some parts. And disagree with both of you on other parts.
I do think Adam's response was quite ill-mannered (I think we all dislike passive-agressiveness) and uncalled for. I also think the article went clearly over the line when describing other people's work, but on the other hand Adam tried to make a tweetstorm out of it rather than reasoning with Sara about what was wrong with it.
But in the end, I don't think it's Adam's or Sara's gender and/or ethnicity that drove his reaction. But, I admit, I'm a white male and in these cases I always ask around if my perspective is biased. This time I'm actually surprised that sexism and racism were considered.
Also because Adam has stated that he has great consideration for Sara (as most of us do), so I'm willing to take it for granted until I'll have a reason to think otherwise.
Maybe it's because Adam is white and male that he felt more entitled to share a passive-aggressive tweet like that. That would sound plausible, but personally I wouldn't draw any conclusion, and still Sara's identity is not at play here.
Also because I don't only see that happening towards women, but rather I think it's quite common from people that gained some popularity.
I mean, the latest drama about Sebastian McKenzie, Rome, Babel and Henry Zhu just happened... And Henry is a man.
In short: from what I see, success often creates bullies. Being white male (i.e., in a group that less likely suffered from other people's entitlement) probably helps.
But in the end, I don't think it's Adam's or Sara's gender and/or ethnicity that drove his reaction.
To be clear, I'm not saying it drove his reaction itself. It drives the space and safety of author for that reaction to be acted on.
Maybe it's because Adam is white and male that he felt more entitled to share a passive-aggressive tweet like that.
This is what I'm saying here, but more broadly that he isn't even aware that he feels entitled to do it, he simply just acted. He has never had to be concerned about the consequences of behaving that way. Because white men in tech fail upwards.
Also because I don't only see that happening towards women, but rather I think it's quite common from people that gained some popularity. I mean, the latest drama about Sebastian McKenzie, Rome, Babel and Henry Zhu just happened... And Henry is a man.
It's fair to say that this also happens to non-white men, which is why I also wanted to call out the system of systemic racism (and toxic nationalism) that exists here. (It's easier for me to see this happening to women, because I'm a woman, and it's happened to me a lot, and some of my language may reflect that. I'm working on it!!).
In short: from what I see, success often creates bullies. Being white male (i.e., in a group that less likely suffered from other people's entitlement) probably helps.
And this is more or less what I'm trying to highlight here. Thanks for the dialogue!
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Hey Massimo, I agree with you. My comment from 2 days ago disappeared and I had to repost it all the way down because I wasn't able to reply to this thread. I now am, and since you replied to my comment, let me reiterate what I said before:
I feel like my comment from yesterday disappeared? Reposting in the hope it will serve as a reminder that people can and do have discussions in a civil and respectful way (just maybe not on Twitter).
I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me, I now feel like I understand where you're coming from more than I did before.
I think the main disconnect here between the way you and I view interactions is that my understanding of society is that all biases and systemic oppression is always at play in any interaction.
Nope, I'm behind you on this one. I agree that by default we bring our whole selves, including our biases and cultural backgrounds, to each interaction. And I actually think that perhaps it's those same biases that lead to our disconnect too, which I now interpret to stem from the following paragraph.
I strongly disagree that it was a normal response - "thank you for using your platform to ruin my day 🥰" is absolutely manipulative, passive-aggressive, and extremely entitled. The entitlement starts from the implication her purpose was to ruin his day and straight to the expectation that she should know it would ruin his day and respect him enough not to post it (despite her disclaimer that she didn't agree with all of the points nor the tone). They aren't friends, so there's no reason for her to be that familiar with him to consider him in that way. I only see this happening to women, and most often to women of color.
This must be the root of my scepticism towards your analysis - I disagree with a lot of assumptions you make in this paragraph. I can see how these assumptions lead you to the conclusions you drew, but our priors are just not the same, so we end up in different places. It could be that this is because my own lived experience and cultural background lead me to see the same words as you, yet interpret them very differently. The sentence you label as "manipulative" and "entitled" only strikes me as passive-aggressive, sarcastic and intended to convey frustration. My background leads me to think that it's okay to occasionally be passive-aggressive, sarcastic and frustrated - regardless of whether this frustration is directed at someone from within your in-group, or someone entirely different to you. Being openly, publicly frustrated with someone who is not a member of your in-group doesn't by default signal "sexism" or "racism" to me. I'm all for humanising social media, and part of that is revealing when we're hurt, which is all this sentence, in my interpretation, does. I'd like to think I'd have bitten my tongue before posting a reaction like his, but I can't rule out having reacted the same way, especially on a bad day. Would that make me racist and sexist?
And I do believe there's evidence that women are more likely to get unfairly criticised - I'm just still unable to see how this is an example of that.
Be it as it may, I think both parties involved might likely be slightly bemused if they were to know the extent to which their words are being analysed here, so I'll call it a day now. Let's agree to disagree. I am grateful for this discussion and love that you've created a space where it's okay to voice one's opinion, even if it opposes yours. I look forward to reading more from you.
<< obviously the last paragraph was written before knowing you'd take to Twitter to incite harassment when I spoke about an unrelated topic in an unrelated thread. Obviously no longer grateful for this discussion. But people keep replying and disagreeing, so I want to make sure my opinion is represented fairly here
Where I became a topic of conversation in the comments.
people keep replying and disagreeing
Which I have expected and allowed because in spite of the unfortunate error of your comment being hidden because of someone else’s behavior, I still felt this dialogue was healthy and enlightening.
I want to make sure my opinion is represented fairly here
I want to make sure of that, too, and that I am fairly represented in kind.
Given we both want that, I suggest you remove your last paragraph above, as it’s untrue and now getting to the point where I feel the need to remove our discussion from my post altogether.
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I got harassment in my DMs because of you. So yes, you did incite harassment, which is ironic given the subject matter. If you think my characterisation of what happened is unfair, feel free to remove the comment or the discussion altogether. I will not, because I know I am speaking the truth and won't be intimidated by you.
I'm going to be frank here: I don't believe you. I didn't link to you, or your twitter, and the link to this thread has literally the least amount of engagement of all of my posts in the last 3 months. With 3 likes, 1 click-through, 0 retweets, 0 quote tweets, 0 references, and 22 impressions. My posts typically have hundreds of thousands of impressions, and often more.
I will not, because I know I am speaking the truth and won't be intimidated by you.
"In fact men will fight for a [lie] quite as quickly as for a living truth – often more so, since a [lie] is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
I'm not trying to intimidate you. I'm trying to reason with you. Which is clearly impossible. I don't want to hide your comment thread, but it has now become destructive commentary, and I cannot trust that it won't escalate.
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Imagine if you were a man. You posted something on Twitter and a woman got harassed because of it. You then point blank deny their reality and label it a lie. I bet if that happened, you’d write an article about it.
Hey Massimo, I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I'm being cornered into hiding this thread because the original poster has opted to retain a portion of her commentary that is accusatory, false, and destructive.
I've learned since hiding other comments, that this will result in your comment being hidden as well, and I welcome you to repost it, or post a link to it at the top level so others can engage with it.
You may also receive notification from the DEV system about this, and I apologize in advance.
As I said, there is absolutely zero harassment of you on my behalf anywhere available, I've been on Twitter and I know precisely where dog-piling starts, and how it escalates. Given that I didn't @ you, and I wasn't talking about you, and I wasn't even linked to your post by whisper networks, but rather someone else's who I had blocked who was harassing people and calling me this, that, and the other, there is no reasonable path for you to connect any private harassment you've received in a DM to my tweet.
You are making inflammatory accusations about me that are just untrue at this point. It's convenient for you to claim that I created a pile-on on you and that people are harassing you in your DMs because of me, when the only evidence of that is something only you have access to. I'm shutting this down because this isn't constructive for you, me, or anyone reading it.
Thank you for your opinion. I obviously don't agree. If someone with a cult-following of hundreds of thousands of people publicly shames someone, it automatically invites a dog-pile of toxic harassment. What he wrote was manipulative and inappropriate.
You are misquoting Sara here. Sara didn't say that, in fact, she disclaimed that she only agreed with some points and not the tone of the article, so his reaction at her instead of him (the author) is certainly not being defended in your statement here. In fact, I'm not sure if you read that Adam was actually fine with the criticisms themselves.
I've already described my framing of how systemic racism and sexism influence our behavior, so I won't restate what I've already said.
The article was written by someone with a small SM following (320 followers), whereas she has 100k followers. I'd say the size of her platform is what prompted Adam to engage with her, rather than her gender or race.
I do agree that it's important to check our biases and think critically about how and why we engage with others, and I obviously see racism and sexism as big issues to tackle in tech as well as elsewhere. I also agree with your well-reasoned statements about social mediaI.
It's just that I, hopefully respectfully, disagree with your conclusion that sexism and racism are at play in this particular exchange, and think you're reading too much into what is a perfectly normal response to a critical article being shared by a tech influencer with a huge audience. I'd be a bit upset too, if I was him.
I'm honestly glad you wrote this article because it is an engaging read and resulted in an equally engaging discussion. I'm always open to having my mind changed when presented with rational arguments, and will keep following this discussion. I'm aware my opinion is the minority one, which is why I felt the need to voice it.
I think the main disconnect here between the way you and I view interactions is that my understanding of society is that all biases and systemic oppression is always at play in any interaction. This is why intention and self-reflection is something I value highly over reactivity (which being that I am bipolar disorder type 1 and have ADHD is something I have to work extra hard at).
I strongly disagree that it was a normal response - "thank you for choosing to use your platform to ruin my day 🥰" is absolutely manipulative, passive-aggressive, and extremely entitled. The entitlement starts from the implication her purpose was to ruin his day and straight to the expectation that she should know it would ruin his day and respect him enough not to post it (despite her disclaimer that she didn't agree with all of the points nor the tone). They aren't friends, so there's no reason for her to be that familiar with him to consider him in that way. I only see this happening to women, and most often to women of color.
That's not to say it doesn't happen outside of these power dynamics, but I'm sure we could discern in every situation some sort of pathway that allows the aggressor have the sense that it is not only okay to speak to the other person this way, despite the lack of relationship, but have the expectation that they wouldn't share any challenging feedback at all.
Had he simply said what others are saying he "really meant" behind his comment, that he found the feedback itself to be misinformed and one-sided, and that he was hurt that she shared it given she has such a large platform, I wouldn't have written this post. What he wrote is precisely the problem here, not that he was hurt.
Thank you for this constructive dialogue either way. I do appreciate talking about these things, despite that my opinions are typically very strong.
I’d say, let’s forget about race, gender and just focus on what really matters. I’m Latino btw, always thought people would ignore me, hard to learn when people are telling you that there is a system against you, once I ignored that, I noticed people do listen and respect me, I became more confident and realized it was all in my head. makes me sad when things get labeled incorrectly cause it influences in mental health, people start thinking that because everything is against you, you are doomed. I’m my worst enemy… We shouldn’t asume people’s intentions. I personally agree with Sarah, I don’t think tailwind has a unique benefit (my opinion) but I also don’t think he was being racist or sexist. Debates like this are great, helps people make better decisions. I’d challenge his opinion, not him as a person or the system. People will always react in different ways and we don’t have control over it.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me, I now feel like I understand where you're coming from more than I did before.
Nope, I'm behind you on this one. I agree that by default we bring our whole selves, including our biases and cultural backgrounds, to each interaction. And I actually think that perhaps it's those same biases that lead to our disconnect too, which I now interpret to stem from the following paragraph.
This must be the root of my scepticism towards your analysis - I disagree with a lot of assumptions you make in this paragraph. I can see how these assumptions lead you to the conclusions you drew, but our priors are just not the same, so we end up in different places. It could be that this is because my own lived experience and cultural background lead me to see the same words as you, yet interpret them very differently. The sentence you label as "manipulative" and "entitled" only strikes me as passive-aggressive, sarcastic and intended to convey frustration. My background leads me to think that it's okay to occasionally be passive-aggressive, sarcastic and frustrated - regardless of whether this frustration is directed at someone from within your in-group, or someone entirely different to you. Being openly, publicly frustrated with someone who is not a member of your in-group doesn't by default signal "sexism" or "racism" to me. I'm all for humanising social media, and part of that is revealing when we're hurt, which is all this sentence, in my interpretation, does. I'd like to think I'd have bitten my tongue before posting a reaction like his, but I can't rule out having reacted the same way, especially on a bad day. Would that make me racist and sexist?
And I do believe there's evidence that women are more likely to get unfairly criticised - I'm just still unable to see how this is an example of that.
Be it as it may, I think both parties involved might likely be slightly bemused if they were to know the extent to which their words are being analysed here, so I'll call it a day now. Let's agree to disagree. I am grateful for this discussion and love that you've created a space where it's okay to voice one's opinion, even if it opposes yours. I look forward to reading more from you.
I agree with both of you... on some parts. And disagree with both of you on other parts.
I do think Adam's response was quite ill-mannered (I think we all dislike passive-agressiveness) and uncalled for. I also think the article went clearly over the line when describing other people's work, but on the other hand Adam tried to make a tweetstorm out of it rather than reasoning with Sara about what was wrong with it.
But in the end, I don't think it's Adam's or Sara's gender and/or ethnicity that drove his reaction. But, I admit, I'm a white male and in these cases I always ask around if my perspective is biased. This time I'm actually surprised that sexism and racism were considered.
Also because Adam has stated that he has great consideration for Sara (as most of us do), so I'm willing to take it for granted until I'll have a reason to think otherwise.
Maybe it's because Adam is white and male that he felt more entitled to share a passive-aggressive tweet like that. That would sound plausible, but personally I wouldn't draw any conclusion, and still Sara's identity is not at play here.
Also because I don't only see that happening towards women, but rather I think it's quite common from people that gained some popularity.
I mean, the latest drama about Sebastian McKenzie, Rome, Babel and Henry Zhu just happened... And Henry is a man.
In short: from what I see, success often creates bullies. Being white male (i.e., in a group that less likely suffered from other people's entitlement) probably helps.
To be clear, I'm not saying it drove his reaction itself. It drives the space and safety of author for that reaction to be acted on.
This is what I'm saying here, but more broadly that he isn't even aware that he feels entitled to do it, he simply just acted. He has never had to be concerned about the consequences of behaving that way. Because white men in tech fail upwards.
It's fair to say that this also happens to non-white men, which is why I also wanted to call out the system of systemic racism (and toxic nationalism) that exists here. (It's easier for me to see this happening to women, because I'm a woman, and it's happened to me a lot, and some of my language may reflect that. I'm working on it!!).
That being said... Henry is not white.
Also, here is a great chat on this topic on Front-End Happy Hour featuring Henry and I: Balancing your drinks & belonging
And this is more or less what I'm trying to highlight here. Thanks for the dialogue!
Hey Massimo, I agree with you. My comment from 2 days ago disappeared and I had to repost it all the way down because I wasn't able to reply to this thread. I now am, and since you replied to my comment, let me reiterate what I said before:
I feel like my comment from yesterday disappeared? Reposting in the hope it will serve as a reminder that people can and do have discussions in a civil and respectful way (just maybe not on Twitter).
I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me, I now feel like I understand where you're coming from more than I did before.
Nope, I'm behind you on this one. I agree that by default we bring our whole selves, including our biases and cultural backgrounds, to each interaction. And I actually think that perhaps it's those same biases that lead to our disconnect too, which I now interpret to stem from the following paragraph.
This must be the root of my scepticism towards your analysis - I disagree with a lot of assumptions you make in this paragraph. I can see how these assumptions lead you to the conclusions you drew, but our priors are just not the same, so we end up in different places. It could be that this is because my own lived experience and cultural background lead me to see the same words as you, yet interpret them very differently. The sentence you label as "manipulative" and "entitled" only strikes me as passive-aggressive, sarcastic and intended to convey frustration. My background leads me to think that it's okay to occasionally be passive-aggressive, sarcastic and frustrated - regardless of whether this frustration is directed at someone from within your in-group, or someone entirely different to you. Being openly, publicly frustrated with someone who is not a member of your in-group doesn't by default signal "sexism" or "racism" to me. I'm all for humanising social media, and part of that is revealing when we're hurt, which is all this sentence, in my interpretation, does. I'd like to think I'd have bitten my tongue before posting a reaction like his, but I can't rule out having reacted the same way, especially on a bad day. Would that make me racist and sexist?
And I do believe there's evidence that women are more likely to get unfairly criticised - I'm just still unable to see how this is an example of that.
Be it as it may, I think both parties involved might likely be slightly bemused if they were to know the extent to which their words are being analysed here, so I'll call it a day now. Let's agree to disagree. I am grateful for this discussion and love that you've created a space where it's okay to voice one's opinion, even if it opposes yours. I look forward to reading more from you.
<< obviously the last paragraph was written before knowing you'd take to Twitter to incite harassment when I spoke about an unrelated topic in an unrelated thread. Obviously no longer grateful for this discussion. But people keep replying and disagreeing, so I want to make sure my opinion is represented fairly here
This is false.
Where I became a topic of conversation in the comments.
Which I have expected and allowed because in spite of the unfortunate error of your comment being hidden because of someone else’s behavior, I still felt this dialogue was healthy and enlightening.
I want to make sure of that, too, and that I am fairly represented in kind.
Given we both want that, I suggest you remove your last paragraph above, as it’s untrue and now getting to the point where I feel the need to remove our discussion from my post altogether.
I got harassment in my DMs because of you. So yes, you did incite harassment, which is ironic given the subject matter. If you think my characterisation of what happened is unfair, feel free to remove the comment or the discussion altogether. I will not, because I know I am speaking the truth and won't be intimidated by you.
I'm going to be frank here: I don't believe you. I didn't link to you, or your twitter, and the link to this thread has literally the least amount of engagement of all of my posts in the last 3 months. With 3 likes, 1 click-through, 0 retweets, 0 quote tweets, 0 references, and 22 impressions. My posts typically have hundreds of thousands of impressions, and often more.
"In fact men will fight for a [lie] quite as quickly as for a living truth – often more so, since a [lie] is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
I'm not trying to intimidate you. I'm trying to reason with you. Which is clearly impossible. I don't want to hide your comment thread, but it has now become destructive commentary, and I cannot trust that it won't escalate.
Imagine if you were a man. You posted something on Twitter and a woman got harassed because of it. You then point blank deny their reality and label it a lie. I bet if that happened, you’d write an article about it.
Hey Massimo, I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I'm being cornered into hiding this thread because the original poster has opted to retain a portion of her commentary that is accusatory, false, and destructive.
I've learned since hiding other comments, that this will result in your comment being hidden as well, and I welcome you to repost it, or post a link to it at the top level so others can engage with it.
You may also receive notification from the DEV system about this, and I apologize in advance.
@sanspanic
As I said, there is absolutely zero harassment of you on my behalf anywhere available, I've been on Twitter and I know precisely where dog-piling starts, and how it escalates. Given that I didn't @ you, and I wasn't talking about you, and I wasn't even linked to your post by whisper networks, but rather someone else's who I had blocked who was harassing people and calling me this, that, and the other, there is no reasonable path for you to connect any private harassment you've received in a DM to my tweet.
You are making inflammatory accusations about me that are just untrue at this point. It's convenient for you to claim that I created a pile-on on you and that people are harassing you in your DMs because of me, when the only evidence of that is something only you have access to. I'm shutting this down because this isn't constructive for you, me, or anyone reading it.
I don't think it's fair to say that if you have a lot of followers, you suddenly can't critique or dislike or talk about the cons of something.
She didn't insult Adam. She shared critique, parts of which she agreed with.
The click-baity title is unfortunate here though.
Wasn't intended to be click-baity.
I meant the original critique of Tailwind, not your article Cher. :)
Oh, whoops! Thank you for clarifying