Ugh, another recruiter just messaged me on LinkedIn about some opportunity at some undisclosed company. This is about the hundredth time this year....
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If you know the company's name - you can just contact them directly and ask about the opening you already know they have. Therefore, the recruiter is indeed useless in this case.
This is based on an incorrect assumption IMHO and the whole point of the post. Recruiters already have a relationship with the company. You don't. Odds of the recruiter getting you an interview are far greater than contacting the company yourself. Recruiters have much more experience selling your skills than you do most likely. It would be a fool's errand to contact the company directly and get lost in their bureaucracy. It can take dramatically longer going down this path. It's fine if you disagree and good luck submitting your resume to XYZ company!
You will find out the name of the company soon after talking to the recruiter. It's not like it's confidential during the entire interview process.
Truly depends on the recruiter/recruiting firm. Many are just doing the heavy lifting of posting to the various online boards and doing light screening at most. In these case, it makes sense for them to do it.
In the case where they are tied to the company in some way, your points make sense but most are just middlemen.
I get two last jobs by contacting the HR departments of the companies directly. Without middlemen.
Hmm, these are valid points. Wish they were written in the original post! ;)
Done.
Many recruiters are actually doing bounty hunting, if you go straight to the company they're out of their commission. Most of the time companies pay them so they don't have to deal with it, and only get to the good candidates.
Very true. A lot of agencies get more commission once the employee has been there for x number of months.
2 reasons.
If you contact the company directly, you could deny the recruiter a large commission
Sometimes the company doesn't exist. Once you enquire with your CV, the recruiter cold calls as many companies as possible with the 'great new' potential candidate looking for a role.
As a manager, I receive emails for number 2 on an almost daily basis despite having no terms agreed with the recruiter.
Huh, I didn't know this was a common practice! That actually explain some of the emails I have been receiving
More astonishing than that is when companies post job descriptions in job sites and their name is hidden. Like, I have no idea to where I'm applying for, I cannot see what they do and apply with confidence. I never applied to such job posts because there is no bond, no relationship, indeed.
One funny experience was when a recruiter contacted me about a position and when I asked the company he/she described the company in a kind of generic way. Would I get extra points if I guessed right or something? hahaha
If you want to apply to this kind of offers - don't share your personal information as well. Let it be fair for both sides.
The best part for me is guessing the company name correctly and then rejecting π
I've done this! Turned out the role was for the company I'd just left :D Shows how much the recruiter vetted my CV before contacting me.
They're worried that other recruiters will contact them, get the name then contact the company themselves. Stealing their clients
To be fair, you can usually tell which company it is from the description. My first contact with recruiters is always that I want the name of the company, it's location, it's size and sector. If they're not willing to provide it, I'm not willing to work with them. Recruiters are paid too much (sometimes up to 15% of your salary) for what they do (pass a CV from A to B) and I want to spend as little time with them as possible. They are unpleasant to deal with an unnecessary in tech.
You just made me remember a recruiter that came to me with almost no details on a position and that got really upset whe I asked for details like salary, business model, etc. The response was something like: "I've said enough and I'm not used to disclose my customers details over LinkedIn, if you want to know more, apply for an interview".
To be quite honest, I have the impression that having bounty hunter recruiters goes mainly against our interest as developers. I'm sure there are exceptions, I've found some, but not a lot of them.
While I have quite often experienced what you've described, I have actually once had the opposite experience. The recruiter gave me a bunch of details after I added them on LinkedIn including:
They didn't mention salary but I'm sure I could have asked and been given some approx figure. Honestly was blown away by that and have noted down the recruiter to contact in the future if the need arises - for both me to get a job and (if my company works out) to hire other people.
I've absolutely thanked recruiters for being transparent even though I'm not interested. The ones playing coy tend to just get a kthxbai, but the ones who give all the info needed to make a decision at least get a well-crafted response from me.
I've had 2 recruiters not disclose the name of the same company then complain at me the company has already seen my resume from the other recruiter, it shoots them in the foot too.
But the main reason is if another recruiter sees the communication then they can recruit for the same position and potentially userp the original recruiter. Seems pointless though as most companies now are so pissed off with recruiters that they only use approved ones and so this random recruiter intercepting the communication wouldn't be heard anyway
Oh man I totally feel you, I am not even answering to most of the linkedin messages. Nowdays, I learn to be selective and answer back to those I can do a little research and find something interest online. Nice article by the way!
Its my experience recruiters do divulge the name of the company, though they don't advertise it with the job.
Having dealt with many recruiters over the years, I find, once I have established a ballpark exists (skill set and recompense) the recruiter must divulge the name of the company before they may submit my resume.
If they are reluctant to do so, I tell them, this is to prevent duplicate submissions by different agencies.π
It only happens with external recruiters in my experience. And in my opinion companies who use external recruiters tend to not be as established/good to work for
Send your recruiters to me.
I have a honeypot for them
Oh it's like that in the US as well? I thought it was a thing of recruiters down here in Argentina as well, I'm not sure why they do that :/
I have a recruiter friend who told me that itβs in part so other third party recruiters canβt swoop in on the leads.