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Ben Halpern

This looks like a damn fine machine, and one has to think they've solved the problems with the keyboard. It's kind of funny that they can't really reference the problems with the last keyboard because that would be admitting their mistakes.

Apple obviously charges a premium, but you just can't beat the quality of their hardware (unless they make a big mistake trying to push the envelope, like the keyboard). All that native storage should make this the device of choice for video/photo people.

The lowest storage tier is 1TB and up to 64GB of RAM 🀀

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Hein Dauven • Edited

Been running a Clevo laptop with Linux/Windows dual boot for +-6 years now. Still works great. Cost was 1k.

You really don't need a +2k device for most development work.

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Diego Perez

If they really fixed the keyboard then it's time to ditch my old macbook from 2015

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MetaDave πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

Always interested to see what the repairability scores are like though.

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Ben Lovy • Edited

you just can't beat the quality of their hardware

Curious if anyone has a recommendation for an alternative brand that comes close. I'm in the market for a new laptop right now. After a decade+ of Linux on Thinkpads I don't think a MacBook is the top of my list, but I want something that will get me through years to come and it does seem like these machines are built to last. This 16" is surprisingly tempting, but that premium is hard to swallow when I don't even intend to use their OS primarily.

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Hector Iturre

Dell XPS

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Tyler V. (he/him)

The only hardware I've ever used that I'd put on par with a MBP is the Google Pixelbook (haven't tried the new Go yet).

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Ben Lovy

Huh, hadn't even considered that. Thanks!

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Dell Precision 5530. Had 15" MacBook 2016 with Touchbar but wanted to work on Linux (which doesn't work that well on MacBooks), so I was looking for something with 4K monitor, upgradable RAM (I currently have 32GBs), CPU with at least 4 cores (this has 6 of them), something light (under 2kg) and NVME M.2 SSD disk. And to be honest, I've never been happier.

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Eljay-Adobe

Linux box, I'd pick the Dell XPS 13 developer edition (9380). Linus Torvalds uses one of the Dell XPS 13 laptops. (Note: I'm not a big fan of Dell. But I think they nailed this machine. And it really is superior to the other Linux laptops on the market, imo.)

Macintosh box, I'd pick the Macbook Pro 13". (Why not the new 16"? Because I've discovered that having a 16"+ laptop turns it into a desktop machine. It's just too darn big to lug around. Lighter is better.) However, I'm more apt to opt for a much lighter laptop if the development demands aren't too overwhelming. Alas, my development demands are overwhelming. A 5 gb source code base will do that.

Windows box, I loved my ancient Thinkpad A31p (800 MHz ... yeah, it was that old β€” 1600x1200 screen). But these days I'd pick an Asus ROG Strix Hero III 15.6". If they had a 13" instead of a 15"-ish, I'd pick that instead.

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Michael Kohl

Maybe the Dell XPS are for you, especially if you're looking for 2-in-1 devices. The new Surface Books also seem very nice but do come with a hefty price tag too.

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Ben Lovy

That's two for XPS, thanks. I'd also considered the surface but balked at the price tag, you think they're worth it?

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Michael Kohl

I’ll tell you soon. Now that they released the 7 I picked up a 6 on 33% clearance sale. It’s an i5 with 8GB and since I’ll primarily use it as a travel device for shorter trips that should be sufficient. Also there’s decent Linux support for the 6 already.

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Chardenal Matthieu

Dell XPS

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Cherny

Up to 16GB :(

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Ben Lovy

Oof, that might be a deal breaker

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Hector Iturre

I have a 9570 with 32GB of RAM

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Eddie

I have the 9570 as well. Overall it's a good machine. Cons - webcam on the bottom and low quality, thicker profile.

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Hector Iturre

yeah, the "nose cam" is awful

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Eddie

Haha nice. I call it my chin cam.

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Cherny

is 9570 a XPS?. I don't see that listed in the site. All XPS I see (linux versions) are up to 16GB

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Deepu K Sasidharan

Go for Precision 5540(They look exactly like XPS), Doesn't have the nosecam, they have Linux versions(you can always choose that in the customize option) and up to 64GB RAM. See dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/workstati...

I have 5530, a damn fine machine and the best laptop I have ever used, the previous Gen macbooks could never compete with this, the 16 inch could I think.

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Daniel P πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

You can look into the Razer Blade 15. It's a gaming laptop (without the ROG look) so likely better graphics specs than the MBP.

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Ben Lovy

I tend to be more CPU than GPU bound on my laptop, but I'll definitely take a look. Thanks!

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Ben Halpern

I think the premium is part hardware and part OS/ecosystem. The way Apple devices sync talk to one another is really slick, so if you're not even using the OS I think the premium is even that much more.

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Ben Lovy

That makes sense, thanks for the insight. KDE Connect is covering my needs with my Android phone, and I've already solved my interconnectivity issues on my home LAN. I should probably keep looking elsewhere.

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Marko Shiva Pavlovic • Edited

Well thinkpads are for you or any other top of the line product from companies that support linux. Librem is good if you like privacy too also the Dell Precision and XPS series machines are really good in support of linux and really good machines like Thinkpads T and X series.

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Ben Lovy

Agreed - the Thinkpad T series has pulled me through this long, and it's my most likely choice next but I'd never really looked at other options lately.

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Eric Wooley

System 76 Oryx Pro goes up to 64 GB.

I have a Galago, and I've been pretty happy with it.

A few small issues, and the build quality isn't on par with apple. But I have had 0 hardware issues, and the keyboard feels great (which was a huge factor for me).

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Jean-Michel Fayard πŸ‡«πŸ‡·πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡¬πŸ‡§πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΈπŸ‡¨πŸ‡΄ • Edited

The way Apple devices sync talk to one another is really slick

Only if you have an iPhone/iPad right?
(Which pushes the total price of ownership even higher)

Maybe it's just me, but as an Android user, I never felt the need for all those iCloud things, and I'm not sure what they offer that is not covered by others.

  • There is Dropbox & cie for syncing files
  • Mozilla sync all my bookmarks
  • Google photos and lots of alternatives for photos
  • Password managers like LastPass are a thing
  • Chromebooks and Android sync pretty well everything from apps to contacts
  • dotfiles.github.io/ is amazing for setting up a new computer
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PaweΕ‚ Kowalski

Microsoft Surface laptop. Top notch.

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jshamg

You can forget that thing if you want something like linux on this device. The touchbar is not supported and you are missing all the necessary keys for linux. You can use vm but that's not really nice. Either buy this thing and use macos or buy something else to use linux...

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John Peters

Anyone using the latest tricked out Surface?

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sanidz • Edited

X1 Extreme (up to 64gb ram and i9 as well, weaker gpu gtx1650)