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Grant for the Web Hackathon Help Thread

dev.to staff on May 07, 2020

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@nobody • May 7 '20

(add @me (.ConnectRoom) 
    :please)

Precious adeyinka • May 9 '20

What language is this?

Elizabeth Alcalá • May 7 '20

Hey, may I be added to the Connect room, please?

Peter Kim Frank • May 7 '20

Please add me to the Connect room.

Stephanie Handsteiner • May 8 '20

May I be added to the connect room, please? 🙃

John Peters • May 8 '20 • Edited

I'd like to see some other ideas on what these solutions could provide to this project.

For example:

Is there an api to pull down all current payments, registered users for (our and other) sites, people showing interest?
Is there an api, that lists all sites participating?
Should particpating sites provide that type of information?
Is there a need for sites to provide their own registration?
Do developers of this software participate in monetization each time their solution is used by some site somewhere?
Can we market our own solutions (of course right?)

I'm green to the monetization concept but like the idea of micro-payments!

ali spivak • May 8 '20

Is there an api to pull down all current payments, registered users for (our and other) sites, people showing interest?

you can see how much you have received from web monetized users in the wallet's dashboard. Coil doesn't host any public APIs consumed by Web Monetized sites, the only interaction occurs via the Web Monetization API itself. For privacy reasons we can't expose any lists of registered users and we don't even know which users visited which sites. On getting information on all payments the best way to do that is track the events emitted in the Web Monetization API. Once receipts are out those payment events will be verifiable by their backend.

Is there an api, that lists all sites participating?

This is not available through an API, but many participating sites are listed on Coil's website

Is there a need for sites to provide their own registration?

Once you add the web monetization meta tag to your site, it will recognize web monetized users without them needing to provide additional information.

Do developers of this software participate in monetization each time their solution is used by some site somewhere?

Yes, as long as the monetization meta tag with your payment pointer is in the document head and the visitor's browser has web monetization enabled. Technically if the content is an embed then it also needs to have allow="monetization" on the iframe that it's inside of.

Eka • May 25 '20

Sorry—n00b question but I just want to confirm my understanding. Web Monetization is run with the document.monetization API (docs), so it’s only supposed to run on the client-side where document is available.

If we have monetized (ie. “paywalled”) content and implement it on a SSR site, the server-generated pages will only have the free content; no way to authenticate user from the server. Is this correct?

ali spivak • May 26 '20

Yes, generally the easiest way to add web monetization is client-side with the meta tag. We are working on offering back-end integration and options.

There is also an option to use the OAuth Web Monetization Script. However, you will need to register your client app and be approved for OAuth access. docs.coil.com/

Eka • May 27 '20

Thank you for your answer, Ali!

Catherine Chen • May 7 '20

Could I please be added to the Connect group?

ABusyProgrammer • May 7 '20

Could I be added to the connect group?

Alex Ward • May 8 '20

Please add me to the Connect room

Emma Goto 🍙 • May 9 '20

I have a question for the Coil team - what happens if you pay the $5 fee, but then don't visit enough pages with web monetisation enabled to actually spend it all? Where does the rest of the money go?

Jonathan Greenglass • May 13 '20

Great question Emma- its one that we've spent a bunch of time thinking through.

The unused membership fee will either be redistributed to creators or it will go to the creator who originally drove you to sign up and become a member. Example: if DEV is the reason you clicked through and became a Coil member then DEV would receive this money.
This may evolve over time— but one important constant is that unspent membership fees do NOT go to Coil.

Erica L. (she/they) • May 7 '20

Could I be added as well?

Peyton McGinnis • May 7 '20

I'd like to be added!

Shaiju T • May 7 '20

Please add me to the Connect room.

Vladimir Makhortov • May 8 '20

It would be nice if i were added as well.

chuylerma • May 8 '20

Add me please :)

mulf • May 7 '20

Requesting access. Please and thanks

Alba Silvente Fuentes • May 8 '20

It would be awesome to be part of the Connect group 😍 If I fit, add me please 🤗

Jose Felix • May 7 '20

Hey! Could I be added to the room? Thanks in advance 😎

Ste • May 7 '20

may i be added please :)

Dheyson Alves • May 8 '20

Hi, can you add me to the Connect Room?

Bruno Luis Panuto Silva • May 8 '20

Hi! Add me to the group pleeease

Jasmin Virdi • May 7 '20

Hey,
Can you please add me to connect room!

Dev Khatri • May 8 '20

please add me as well..

Abhishek Jain • May 8 '20

add me please to connect room

Ojas • May 8 '20

Please add me

Bob-Lander • May 8 '20

Hello, could you please add me to the Connect room ? Thanks !

Allan N Jeremy • May 8 '20

Hey, please add me to the connect room

Gabriel Leonte • May 8 '20

Please add me to the Connect room.

dmdesai • May 8 '20

Please add me.

Özgür Tanrıverdi • May 7 '20

Hey everyone, can I join the connect room please?

KHALID ISMAIL • May 8 '20

May I be added please

Michael Lustig - halfjew22@gmail.com • May 8 '20

It’s funny how it starts out original and then everyone just copies the normal request.

May I have one as well please?

Chen Hui Jing • May 8 '20

I'd like to join the group :)

Mike H • May 7 '20

Please may I be added to the chat.

Tomás Arias • May 9 '20

Please add me to the Connect room.

Andrei Fedotov • May 8 '20

Hey, would you please add me as well

Pragmatic • May 27 '20

Hi folks!

Heads-up in case it's useful - the official Coil Web Monetization WordPress plugin is now launched: pragmatic.agency/announcing-the-of...

If any of you are hacking about on WordPress sites (or other CMS) then this might be helpful.

Have fun :)

Eka • May 31 '20

From what I've seen, the payment is streamed real-time. Is there a way to defer or transfer this?

Rough use case I have in mind, eg. in a board game web app is as follows.

a) transfer

Four players (all with wallet pointers) play the game
During the session, payment is temporarily made to the site
Once session ends and there is a winner, the duration is calculated and the amount of money is transferred to the winner's waller pointer

b) defer/manually send payment for a specified duration

When players start the game, start a timer. No payment is started.
Once session ends and there is a winner, calculate duration and stream the payment to the winner.
- For very short duration, the start/stop API would work. But say the session is 15 minutes long, is it possible to send payment worth 15 minutes to the winner's wallet? Is it at all possible?

Emilie Ma • Jun 2 '20

Hello there!

We're coming to the end of GFTW now, and I just have one question:
If we submit our projects via the template, will we receive any confirmation that our submission has been reviewed and is valid?

Thanks :)

Aniket • May 31 '20 • Edited

I'm trying to make a node CLI that uses web monetization to pay. As I would not be able to use the coil extension there, I was looking for some other ways to use coil as a WM provider. I read about coil's API but what I understood was that if I used that, it would be me who will be getting the payments, which is the opposite of what I want, as I want to pay other people. It would be highly appreciated if someone could help, as I really feel I am onto something here by expanding the scope of Web monetization by using it outside the browser.
If this is not the best channel to do so, you can DM me or add me to the connect group.
Thanks!

Aniket • May 31 '20 • Edited

The thing I'm trying to do specifically is point 6 of the flow here, which I'm not being able to figure out how to do without access to coil extension in a node CLI environment.

mm • Jun 6 '20

Could I join the group, please? :)

Morgan Connolly • May 29 '20

May I be added to the Connect group?

Eka • Jun 6 '20

Something that crossed my mind while working on my project--I wonder if there are existing examples of copy text that explains the concept of Web Monetization to website visitors (as in non-technical regular visitors)?